Evolution Of Mavic Bike Hubs
Evolution Of Mavic Bike Hubs


– Okay, so if I just hold this wheel up, I’m sure that many of you will be able to observe the fact it’s a Mavic wheel. Mavic, of course, is a name
that’s synonymous with cycling. Its iconic black and yellow branding has been everywhere throughout the sport. Now although, these
days, Mavic actually make excellent cycling shoes,
helmets, and even pedals. What they really earned their fame for is being one of the longest standing wheel manufacturers in cycling. Now, over the years, Mavic
has engineered and pioneered some amazing technology on
their wheels and their rims, including SUP technology,
ceramic coated rims, and of course, the world
famous UST Tubeless system. Now, SUP rims really were a game changer as far as rim technology goes. Now traditionally, rims
are pinned together and occasionally they’ll
be welded together, and you’d be left with a
wheel that’s perfectly good all the way around except for the joint. Now you could have a bit of hop in there, could have a bit of side to side. Either way, it didn’t feel very good if you’re braking with a
rim brake back in the day or if you’re a mechanic having to lace those wheels up int he first place. Now, SUP technology
changed that completely by welding the rim together and
then machining that weld down, leaving a perfectly
smooth and precise rim. Now, this was fantastic
if you had rim brakes. This particular rim is the 321, so this is one of the early down hole rims that’s designed for disc brakes. There’s also the 521, which
was the rim brake version, which had a slightly deeper side wall, and these were SUP technology rims. Now, it had an absolutely
perfect braking surface and they were renowned
as being excellent rims to lace up, because they were
so straight to start with. Now, although this particular
rim doesn’t have it, they had a 121 rim which
had ceramic coating on it Now, the ceramic coating
in those days was amazing for two purposes, in
particular on mountain bikes. Now the first one was the fact that it was quite a coarse coating, so actually adhere to brake
pads really, really well and really, basically it gave
you extreme braking power. Well, as extreme as you can get with cantilevers and V
brakes in those earlier days, but the other thing it
also did was give a surface onto the outside of the
rim, it would resist wear. Now, if you think a
braking surface on a rim, by today’s standards, sounds a bit mad. You’re actually wearing out the structure of the rim as you’re braking,
so to actually enhance that and basically make it a
stronger rim in the first place, this is what the ceramic coating did. And it was absolutely fantastic, although it was quite expensive. Now of course there is the
UST technology as well. UST stands for universal
standard tubeless. Now, this was something that
Mavic, being a French company, teamed up with Hutchinson and Michelin, also French companies, but
specializing in rubber, and they teamed up together to make a universal tubeless standard. And this is absolutely
crucial at the time, because there wasn’t
really anything like it and it needed a wheel manufacturer to work in conjunction with a
tire manufacturer to do this. So not only did they design and pioneer the valve core system
for inflating the rim, they got the rim bed system
where it’s a sealed rim bed, so there’s no way of air
getting through to it or spoke nipples penetrate that. And of course, the hook technology for getting that tire on
there in the first place. Now, the reason for working directly with Hutchinson and Michelin was the fact that they could develop tires to work specifically with rims like this, and those tires obviously had to be able to hold an air pressure in there regardless of the sealant
that was going into there to create a completely tubeless system. Now, UST, you’ve seen
tubeless going everywhere, but this is where it started, and I think it’s one of
the most important things that any cycling company has done, but it’s not just rims that Mavic have been refining all these years. They’ve actually been
making hubs since 1975. Being a hub manufacturer
and a rim manufacturer, it wasn’t gonna take them too long before they started wheeling out what they call the global system, so complete and optimized wheel packages. That first started in 1994 with
the Cosmic range of wheels. That’s the road wheels, and
then followed later in 1996 with the Crossmax series of wheels. Of course, this is one of the
later sets of Crossmax wheels. Today though, we’re actually
just gonna be looking at hubs, because it’s such an
important part of the wheel. So let’s go back to the very
beginning, in fact to 1975, where the Mavic 500 hubs
came onto the scene. Now, they might look quite
pretty simple to you, but actually, these
hubs worked a lot better than many hubs, often a
decade later than these. Now, in this sort of
era, these sort of hubs tended to be cup and cone design. Now, one of the problems
with cup and cone bearings is that if you over-tighten them, you strain the bearing there, you can pit the bearing surfaces. If you ride them loose, it does the same, and of course, will
have additional friction if you ride them loose and the
bearing surfaces get damaged or if you ride them
tight, then the same thing happens when they get pitted,
you get bumpy bearing surface. Now, another downside of the traditional cup and cone bearing
system is that they would loosen slightly as you rode. Now, this, depending on how often you rode and the sort of surfaces you rode on, this could be a ride or
it could be several rides. Now, cup and cone
bearings worked very well provided you liked to maintain your bike. Now, it’s not something
that everyone likes to do and it’s not something that
everyone is good at doing, and Mavic quickly identified this. So actually, in these particular hubs, even from 1975, they had
sealed radial bearings in them. Now, something that’s especially good about Mavic using the
sealed radial bearings are that one of the weaknesses
of traditional cup and cones are they put a slight angular force onto the bearings as you preloaded them, which actually could prematurely
wear out those bearings. The sealed radial bearings
don’t actually have that problem and they’re immensely smooth, really, really quite ahead
of their time, actually. But something else you’re
gonna notice about this is how different it is to
a modern mountain bike hub. If I just take this one
of a D Max wheel here, look at the difference. Not just talking about the
size, but the layout of the hub. You see, this one has a
screw on star fitting here, whereas this one has a much more familiar sort of mono-star pattern
where the cassette would slide on and screw
onto the end there. Now, the screw on system, there wasn’t any moving paITS in the hub. The hub simply had bearings and seals, an axle, no problem at all. The bearings, however, were
sat directly under the flanges. There wasn’t a bearing, an
outboard one at the end here, so the hub could suffer from strain there. And also, if there was flex,
that can create friction on the bearing in a hub, which of course, will wear it out prematurely,
cause additional friction. None of that stuff is any good. Now, unlike the traditional
cassettes you see these days, they literally slide onto the hub and are held on with a lock
ring or in the sham case, they push on and screw on. These ones are a little bit different. They had a set proof free wheel on it. In fact, just gonna show you. They have a set proof free wheel system, and these things weighed a ton compared to what you see nowadays, because they’ve got bearings
and pulls inside here. So, this would screw onto the hub itself, it’s threaded on the inside
and it’s threaded there. Now, these things worked quite well, but they were prone to problems. It had quite a lot of friction in them. Now, due to the amount of stuff there is going on in the inside of here, you’re very restricted in how small the smallest sprocket you can go for. So, to compensate for
that, the bikes using these tended to have much bigger
chain rings up front to give you the big gear range. Of course, when it comes
to mountain biking, you want a smaller chain
ring for the ground clearance and you want the smaller small gear and the bigger big gear out back. Now, these are quite limiting in the way that it could be designed, and of course, there’s flaws in the hub system as well, because it wasn’t supported as well. There was an uncommon, and these days, no matter what brand you’re running, to see these sort of
hubs, the axle’s bending and sometimes breaking due
to the additional strain that mountain biking would put to them. These particular ones are the road hubs, but they did do a mountain
bike version of them. And I just wanna show you the difference between the fitting on
an old style screw on, what they called a block,
and a new star cassette where it slides on. So as I’ve just explained,
you have the simple screw on system that is all in one. When it wears out, you replace it. And that also has the pulls inside there. Now, with the system you’re
far more familiar with, you have a cassette, which
is often in multiple pieces and it simply slides on. We’ll just find the biggest
slot here and it’s this one. Simply slide on, all the pieces slide on, and then they’re held onto
the end with a lock ring. It’s a nice simple system. The mechanism is actually
on the inside here. This part of the hub can be removed. There’ll be two bearings in here and there’ll be bearing
supporting the axle. So the whole system
gives much more support. It’s a much better system,
especially for mountain biking, but of course, road bikes
also use this system now. Now, the cassette hub,
there’s so much of it that’s just so much better. There’s four bearings
in there, in general, so much more support,
a lot more durability, they’re better sealed,
and much, much stronger. So, when it came to designing
cassette star hubs like these, Mavic were pretty radical,
even from the off, and they had a lot of
technology in their hubs that other people hadn’t
even considered using. Now, this particular
hub, you can look here, you can see the driveside flange is a lot bigger than the
non-driveside flange, and the reason for that is
it can accept shorter spokes, which means it’s stronger and stiffer. Now, they’re also geared up
for different lacing patterns. Now, Mavic used their own
trademark Zicral spokes, which was their own trademarked alloy. Now, they were huge fat spokes, they’re very light, but also very strong. One of the benefits of using their spokes, especially in the radial pattern as seen on this particular hub, was that it could get the spoke line really close to the
cassette without fouling it. And of course, the wider the
bracing angle is, of course, means for a stronger and
more tensioned wheel. On the non-driveside, they
tended to use two cross. So, if I just show you this
on a prebuilt wheel here, so this is Crossmax Enduro,
and as you can see here, on the driveside it’s got a bigger flange with the radial spokes and
then, on the non-driveside, slightly different, two
cross spokes on here. Now, as well as having
fairly radical spokes options with their own brand spokes there, and of course doing two
cross and radial patterns, it was the number of spokes
that freaked people out, too. Now, this particular wheel is a rear wheel and it has only 20 spokes on it. You think, a normal
spoked mountain bike wheel back in those days would have
had 32 or even 36 spokes, which could be stainless steel
as well, these were alloy. So really, really advanced stuff there. Now, there’s a whole bunch of
other things that they had. Where other hub
manufacturers were offering quick release or bolt through
or 20 mil or this or that, Mavic were very quick
to have adaptive systems that you could change
to suit 135’s or 142’s and everything else, so it’s
a really adaptable system, which of course, is much
better for the end user. Now also, Mavic used
to have sealed bearings in all of their hubs, so you had no issues with that sort of stuff in there and they never suffered
because they’re radial bearings from having any angular load to them like you could get in some of
those cup and cones systems. Now, in the early days, their hubs, you would adjust the preload on them, but they learned that once
that worked excellently, it could be over adjusted, you
could tighten them too much. Likewise, they could be
ridden when they were loose, so the later hubs came with what’s called the Curas Auto Preload System. Now, this system’s
fantastic, because it means the bearing is at the
optimum preload at all times, so you’re not gonna wear the bearing through anything other
than just old age really. It’s a really, really good system. Now, as far as the
internals of the hubs go, Mavic have always had their ITS system, which is instant transfer system. Now, in the past, they’ve
had two pull systems, but I wanna show you the ITS 4, which is the most recent
incarnation of that, and that’s as featured inside
this particular hub here. Now, it’s a very simple
and effective system where you have four pulls on springs here. Now they’re staggered, so that means there’s always two engaged at every time. It’s not a case of none engaged and then all engaged as they spring around. And simply put, these just
engage into a ratchet. This on the inside of the hub, that is simply a seal there
to keep all the grime out. It’s a very simple and effective system, however, this system as excellent as it is does need maintenance on it. Because of the fact that
the pulls are on springs, over time, those springs
do need replacing, because they can get a bit baggy and not actually do their
job as well as they should do with pushing the spring
into the ratchet there. And of course, if you
were to put thick grease or something in there, they could slip, but generally, it’s a
really, really good system. And this is the most
refined version of that with those staggered pulls. So, I’m just gonna pull
this hub apart here so you can see the inside. I loosened this earlier,
it’s not normally this loose. Just so you can see, take the end cap off, and then just give a gentle pull. You can see it’s the same as this one and then, if I just release it carefully, you can see it’s the same again and you can see on the inside here where those pulls sit into that ratchet and allow it to free
will or engage that hub. It’s a pretty good system. It’s always worked really effectively, but that, with the two always engaged, it’s far more reliable
than earlier systems. The key for any sort of
intricate machinery like this is the fact that it has to be cleaned and well lubricated in order
to work reliably all the time. Of course, we’re not all like that. And as Mavic knew from the hub days when they started using cartridge bearings instead of using cup and cone bearings, people don’t wanna be maintaining
their bikes all the time. So as good as the ITS 4 system is, and it still does work very well, Mavic were interested in
developing a new system that didn’t have to rely on
people looking after it as much. Now as we know, Mavic are masters
at refining their products throughout their entire range and this is the latest version of their hub. So, on the inside of this
hub, a little bit different from the old style ITS 4
System is the brand new ID360. ID stands for instant
drive and this is all new. Now, Mavic have actually been
developing the ID360 system since 2013 and it’s been used on our skinny wheeled road
bike framed bikes since 2016 and now it’s finally been adapted and ready for mountain bike use. Unlike the DT system, which has the two ratchets and twin springs, Mavic’s system just has a single spring, so let’s have a look at it. Okay, so this is the free hub body. Listen to this.
(clicking) Almost instant engagement, 40
points of engagement on this and there’s just nine
degrees between them. That’s such a fast pickup. Now, I’m just gonna
release the spring on this so you can see how this
works on the inside here. And I’ll take this apart,
so you have the part that sits into the hub with one set of the ratchet rings on it. You have the other ratchet
ring that rotates against it, and you have the spring that sits on the inside of the free hub body. It’s that simple. And I’m just gonna show you
this on the inside of the hub, just like I did on the other one. Just gonna pull this end plug off and literally pull this apart. There we go, there’s the
spring, there’s the ratchet, and there’s the other one on
the inside of the hub there. Very simple system. As you can see, the ratchet
is pushed away from the hub allowing it to free wheel and when you go the other way, it engages. Now, I’ve also got this
really cool cut away hub here, so you can see the axle,
you can see the bearings. If you look closely, you
can see these ratchets, and as I rotate this,
you’ll see it engaging with that single spring, just
making it come into use there. Very cool. Okay so let’s look at the
fundamentals of this ID360 system. So, of course there’s
40 points of engagement. It’s positive engagement,
it’s basically always ready to be engaged, no chance
of slippage there. There’s nine degrees of rotation
between the engagements, which is tiny, however,
it’s not too small. So the bearings on the inside, obviously they’re premium bearings and they don’t have any angular sort of load concerned to them. And also, note how outboard
those bearings are. Of course, because
they’re ratchet mechanism, they intertwined slightly
on the inside here. The outboard one here is very, very close to the outside here and again, on the actual free hub
part of the body there. You might also notice that this
system has an oversized hub. Now, most people tend to have a 15 millimeter axle in their hubs, but Mavic with the ID360 system
have a 17 millimeter axle. Now, two millimeters might
not sound a lot to you, but it makes a significant difference, and always got a thing is with
all of those twisting forces that go into bikes, especially today with the way they’re ridden,
I’m talking Enduro bikes, trail bikes, jump bikes, downhill
bikes, all of that stuff, when you’re throwing
those bikes into turns, everything is twisting and
as soon as there’s twisting or flex in something like a wheel axle, that’s gonna create a load on bearings and other paITS that is not good. Now, this system has been designed to cope with all of the
stresses of modern day bikes. And two of the particular things that are included in that are e-bikes. Of course, they put a
significant amount of strain or torque through a radial axle like this. This axle laughs at it,
no problem with that. Also, another thing to bring
up is the enormous 51 tooth, teeth sprockets you get on
some rare cassettes these days. Now, they put significant
sort of load into a hub, and again, with this system
combined with that ratchet, it is no problem at all. You’re never gonna slip and
that axle can handle the strain. Now, what I can feel here
that you’re gonna have to just listen to is a really,
really nice crispness. Now, there’s actually 50
percent more torsion rigidity in this system than the
conventional ITS 4 pull based system so you’ve only gotta think how efficient that’s gonna be under power. Now also, there’s the noise thing to take into consideration. Obviously, with it outside of the hub, that is extremely loud
and extremely positive. You know that that is in, but
with the cut away system here, it’s far more muted, and then
with the actual hub itself, when it’s completely sealed in, it’s actually quite discreet. It’s definitely crisp
enough to know you’re in the whole time, but it’s not
too distracting on the ride. I actually really like the
fact it’s not super loud. I’ve been quite liking the
quiet bike thing of late and we’re starting to
see it more and more. Of course, clutch to radius and stuff, it’s all about making your
bike as quiet as possible. And that’s one of the things that’s gonna start reducing noise, but obviously, there’s no chance of slipping or anything. It’s a really, really
good, positive system. There’s also a severe
lack of friction in this. Normally, the only friction you would feel on this sort of star system would be the actual ratchet
itself and then the seal, but the seal is a non-contact seal, so you don’t feel that anyway
and the only thing you feel is literally the ratchet against itself, which I can tell you is very reassuring. Now, that about summarizes the hub, but also, they’re about 40 grams lighter, so not only does it outperform their old and more conventional ITS 4 system, but it is a slight bit lighter. Now, something else I just
found out about these, obviously Mavic is a French company, they hail from Annesse
in the French Alps there, and actually make their hubs
in Europe, which is quite nice. Now, it still looks like
a modern wheel to me and I know how well these ride, ’cause this is actually
one of my personal wheels from another bike, but
I find it quite amazing that Mavic in particular,
the way they like to refine their products through time. This is still great, up
to date and still works, but the latest one, if I just
show you the XA35 Carbine, the pro-wheel, this is the latest one, and this of course, has got
that ID360 hub on there, it’s got a two cross design
on both sides, 24 spokes, it’s got the carbon rims on here, which is set for anything
from 2.5 up to 3.2 inch tires, nice stable support,
it’s UST as you’d expect. As with the newer wheels
from Mavic, it’s part of the WTS system, so it’s the wheel tire system, so the whole lot with tires involved in the formula there, too. I think it’s really
impressive the fact that they don’t just sit on the fact that their stuff is excellent and works. They’re always looking to
refine and make stuff better, the longevity of stuff. Now, something I haven’t mentioned yet, but I really, really like
about this new ID360 system is that this is gonna appear
on all Mavic wheels soon. So it’s already out there in the wild on some of their wheels, but
I think the point I wanna make is that on some manufacturer’s wheels, you’ll see the pull system
be continued to used on maybe slightly more budget wheels and they’ll use the ratchet system on the slightly more expensive wheels, whereas I love the the fact that Mavic, they tightly believe
in where they’re going with the ratchet system and
that’s gonna be on all wheels. So whether you’re riding
a 200 dollar set of wheels or a 2000 dollar set of wheels, you’re gonna get the same
performance, the same longevity, and the same technology in there. So there you go, that was
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100 thoughts on “Evolution Of Mavic Bike Hubs”

  1. GMBN Tech says:

    How cool are Mavic's new hubs? What do you think of their new design?

  2. John Riley says:

    Cool vid…love wheel tech!

  3. TheMrDavidCurran says:

    This is a great advert for Mavic, but I'll still be very unlikely to buy one of their wheels.
    Oversize and proprietary spokes and nipples, and a very low access to the products needed to keep these going will keep me on DT for a long time to come.
    While their engineering might be sound, I can not get past having to wait for a bike shop to order in an expensive spoke, when I can have a non proprietary wheel fixed in an hour.

  4. Christopher Abberton says:

    9° engagement is honestly pretty horrible for a high end hub, especially since competitors are coming out with like 4° engagement

  5. 9justice9 says:

    hope they bring back steel freehub body.

  6. Calloy Frame says:

    I really like doddy when he's explaining the techy stuff. 😄 Thank you for all the info..!

  7. Mykyta Jex says:

    These videos are starting to sound like ads for whatever company is sponsoring the video. "This is better than other stuff on the market and it's better than what we had before." The giveaways and whatnot are also a bit excessive. Whatever happened to unsponsored content?

  8. Evidence of a Fabulous Life-Shawshank says:

    Thank you Doddy, very informative and thanks for assembling all of the hub examples, Even I could understand what you were talking about! Ride on! Tim

  9. xristos kalandrias says:

    companies from long ago did this process like alesa mavic etc

  10. Oreo Carlton says:

    Now this is an infomertial I cant complain about!

  11. Oreo Carlton says:

    Debate: dont do cup n cone handle lateral stress better than sealed? Shimano claims that and still uses cups in highest end hubs

  12. Leon Huber says:

    Could you please compare mavik hubs to the hope ones?!

  13. Darren G. says:

    What do you mean people don’t like to maintain their bikes all of the time? Good vid Doody and I still have some of the original Mavic hubs on my 1990 Kestrel CSX.
    Thanks

  14. Anton Peterson says:

    Are you going to turn this into a series Doddy? Would be cool to find out the evolution of other companies for different parts of the bike. Maybe you could talk about brakes next.

  15. Uri Luria says:

    The bike industry admits DT star ratchet is the best. nice looking wheels.

  16. Sohaib Younus says:

    Now I know how cool the Mavic wheels are on my Capra lol.

  17. Medical Cannabis Spain says:

    still running old Ksyriums, still like new

  18. davepgt3 says:

    Great video guys, I found that really interesting

  19. Edwin Parson says:

    yep, made me laugh… like when you said not to use grease on the pawls. I know from experience that they may not allow pawls to pop back up and engage in time before cranks have rotated enough to send you into the handle bars. I was 19 and on my bmx cross country blike (huffy pro lightning) …good stuff.

  20. Victor Tee says:

    Ads these days…

  21. Joni English says:

    MAKE a VIDEO of LEFTY HUB DIFFERENCES ???
    LEFTY 50 , lefty 60 , lefty hub 75
    also lefty fork 2.0 or super max !!!!!!!!!!!!

  22. KieronymousBoof says:

    Doddy looked like he needed a shower after that.

  23. AnhTuan Nguyen says:

    Will you be doing tech history on DT swiss rims, spokes, hubs and wheelset?

  24. Serin Üçer says:

    Doddy you are a true geek 🙂 I would like to listen dt-swiss’ story too

  25. FastFitnessTips: Cycling Science! says:

    One question, how did Mavic fit a tiny machine gun in the hub (14:50)?

  26. toasty bear says:

    Why on earth has no one come up with that hub idea before?! So simple, so logical, looks effective and so easily serviceable!

  27. Marc Dxn says:

    I hope hub manufacturers don't all head down the route of trying to make the hubs as quiet as possible I still really like a good loud hub, I know its not everyones cup of tea but at speed down a trail I absolutely love it not to mention the Chris King hub sound.

  28. Rhzali nour eddine says:

    Lol, Dt swiss ,and chrisking have been using Ratchet for years, how is this revolutionary ?

  29. peglor says:

    So the new design is the same freehub principle as DT hubs, a less good setup than Chris King (By using a helical gear to load the ratchet washer, the more torque that is applied to a Chris King the harder it squeezes the toothed washers together, reducing the chance of skipping) and with only slightly more than half as many engagements as the Chris King. The serious downside to all the toothed washer type hubs is that contamination between the washers will stop all the washer teeth from engaging correctly, rather than blocking one pawl in the case of the same contamination in a normal ratchet system. This means sealing is absolutely critical for it to be trustworthy. Mavic have been in the business long enough to do a decent job with this hopefully, but then again my experience of tubeless, having set it up with the XM819 when that came out first and with an XT wheelset recently, is that it wastes a lot more of my time than tubes (10 minutes every 2 or 3 months for a puncture that there's no guarantee wouldn't have happened the tubeless tyre anyway vs. pumping the tyres every couple of days just to keep them at the right pressure), and I they seem to have completely dropped off the radar in terms of rim choices these days.

    Pushing the misconception that radial cartridge bearings are a good solution for bike hubs has kept many a hub manufacturer in business, but radial bearings are not designed to take thrust loads, or to be run misaligned, which happens all the time when they're used in bike hubs because the wheels don't always get loaded radially only, in fact the shitty chainlines on 1x drivetrains are creating more side loading through the freehub than ever before, and the hubs and frames aren't stiff enough to stop flex misaligning the bearings under bump and pedalling loads. If the Mavics are reliable it's because they're using deep groove or angular contact bearings that have been engineered by Mavic to take the side loads and misalignment.

    Cup and cone bearings are much more tolerant of all the flexing and side loading seen by hubs – the downside is Shimano XTR is the only cup and cone hub using good enough materials and sealing to demonstrate this. A half minded XTR will outlast just about any cartridge bearing hub and consume no spares at all. Unfortunately even XT is total junk by comparison with XTR. I get about 6 months from an XT freehub body, but the hub is much improved by putting XTR bearings in while replacing the freehub – I've never needed to replace an XTR freehub body in 15+ years of running them. If you keep the bearings adjusted (And even if you do a few spins with it rattly) the XTR hubs I've used still run smoothly and engage reliably 10 years of muddy spins and little maintenance later. Not sure I trust the new silent clutch hub based on Shimano's previous and silent clutch setups and the sponginess of the Alfine 11 speed hub though.

    I also hope they're not running a rattly, unreplaceable bushing at the base of the freehub body like they used to in the old Crossmaxes leading to the wheels getting binned even after the rest of the bearings were replaced thanks the the pawls, ratchet and hub body getting chewed from misaligning with the ratchet thanks to the slop in the bushing. It's hard to see what's what in the shots looking into the freehub, but it looks like bearings at both ends.

  30. matthew kühl says:

    Hope use 17mm axles…
    i like Mavic's rims but their hubs are not anything extraordinary.

  31. Saurabh Kulkarni says:

    Doddy, you're great
    But please don't do the weird-faces-in-thumbnail thing. It just doesn't work

  32. nesdnumaj says:

    Interesting. So the new "Instant Drive" design is identical to DT's Star Ratchet system? Did they license the technology from DT or did something expire and this design will be more prolific?

  33. Dennis Al Palma E says:

    Exelente clip and great quality product.. Love Mavic

  34. Fredrick Nietzsche says:

    aside from the infomercial, aluminum spokes is just crazy.

  35. Gibby Kirwan says:

    Fascinating video again. Thanks Doddie

  36. jeff blair says:

    Mavic ….chain reaction….. longest advert I’ve ever watched..

  37. Alistair pears says:

    New series. "Story time with doddy"

  38. Bram Jaques says:

    Doddy, that was extremely interesting!!

  39. Steffen Stengård Villadsen says:

    17:35 Do a 51 tooth sprocket really put more load on the hub?
    I know that the torque increase with diameter, but i would still expect the same power at a smaller sprocket would be just as bad.

  40. Zsolt Lukács says:

    with 221 roll 5 years,521 roll 10years my weight is 124kg…..dt alpine 3 spokes xtr hub….,

  41. Leo lavost says:

    Umm that sounds like a new sponsor

  42. Jonathan Howson says:

    I had some mavic crossmax enduro wheels. The spokes snap all the time. Moved to some Chris kings laced to dt swiss which were a huge improvement

  43. jfkdotcom says:

    no substitute for mavic wheels

  44. Meirion Rhys says:

    nice to catch up with the newer hubs, that clutch mechanism is almost identical to my very early 90's DT hugi, they were also especially loud, especially with a tight set of spokes in a noisy aluminium Merlin malt 2.

  45. A Chair says:

    Got a pair of crossrocs and I love them!

  46. Jack Hanson says:

    My favorite part is when doddy casually puts the rim over his head

  47. Артём Тимофеев says:

    How come 9° is fast engagement?

  48. Peak Torque says:

    'SUP technology' makes me laugh. Welding then machining down the join isn't a technology, its just how it should be done. I used SUP technology on an old Mini i welded up, there you go!

  49. Andrew Gardiner says:

    How much does the new wheeler cost?

  50. lee nevin says:

    Do a video on Pawl Service? I did mine and had trouble reinstalling my spring ring (only a couple of my pawls seemed to be working correctly)

  51. Stepan Magas says:

    Look cool but easy broke

  52. Stepan Magas says:

    Don't like mavic technologies

  53. vic tor says:

    Part where disadvantages of cup and cone hubs described are complete BS. Only disadvantage of cup and cone back in those days was bad seal, wich is fixed nowdays. Best type of bearings for hubs, and absolutely easy to maintain if your arms are straight.

  54. Primož Resman says:

    50 tooth cassettes do not put a higher strain on the freehub. You have a 30 or 32 t chainring on the other side, where you had a 22 tooth chainring on the front with 2x systems (and 36 in the rear). It's the gear ration that puts the twist on the ratchet and the chain force that puts the strain on the axle. The larger the chainring pair (for a given ratio), the lower the chain force. The twist (torque) is dependant on the rider and the ratio.

  55. EnglertRacing96 says:

    9 degrees so fast lol
    project 321 is 1.7degrees

  56. ECIL Engenharia Comércio e Indústria Ltda says:

    Is it cool to copy DT swiss design? The real inovative hubs are the Onyx sprag clutch hubs or the Shimano Scylence

  57. Alvaro Q.F says:

    Shimano seems not to identify the headache that is doing maintenance to their hubs with the cone system, my patience has increased a lot thanks to them.

  58. Juan More Time 68 says:

    Lots of us roadies were seduced, and severely stung by those early Ksyrium wheel sets way back in the early 2000's. Back then the Ksyrium's 1500 gram weight for a pair of wheels was revolutionary.. The rims were absolutely bombproof and those zicral spokes were as tough as old boots.. All was fine and dandy and carefree until one was unfortunate enough to bend or break a rim, then it would become very quickly apparent that Mavic didn't really want anyone attempting to repair their wheel systems…Sure you could buy a Ksyrium rim and a bunch of zicral spokes, but it would cost almost the same as buying a brand new wheel. If one was brave enough to attempt a rim transplant, those FORE spoke inserts had a nasty habit of adhering themselves permanently to the damaged rim. And don't get me started on Mavic's crappy FTTS freehub system.. It freehub body consisted of an inner Delrin/nylon bushing running on the bare aluminium hub surface, it would eventually wear the hub to the point it was unusable. Sorry Mavic, I won't be spending anymore of my discretionary cash of your non-user serviceable products….

  59. Андрей Пелешко says:

    You must to see Ukrainian TrailMech hub!

  60. Elliot Gorr says:

    Do these new hubs develop play in the freehub body after a few hundred miles? Wouldn't want to lose that signature cassette slop that only Mavics can provide!

  61. DougsterGaming says:

    Nut

  62. Bob Guru says:

    I can make the same comment as you guys, look: I (Me) have products from (insert name) manufacturer and it's much better than yours (if different). I make no mistakes, follow me.

  63. navca says:

    The video starts with a wrong statement, "with what they are really on the fame for, is being one of the fame for is being one of the longest wheel manufacturers in cycling". WRONG. Mavic was TOP at rim manufacturing. Then they got into wheels… and their hubs sucked. The FTS-L freewheel was an inferior design, relying on a plastic bushing for lightness that would degrade over time, wearing also the aluminium contact part in the hub. Eventually, the play in the freewheel body would affect the rear change, and bobbling would make the two tiny ratchet pawls come out of the housing and destroy the hub.

    THAT is Mavic rear hub design, that they still use in most of their wheels. Luckily, they have finally decided to COPY a world-class hub manufacturer, DT Swiss… which, by the way, makes also outstanding wheels (great hubs, with SAPIM great steel spokes, nice rims) if you are ok with standard-look, solid and reliable wheels over Mavic's fancy looks and compromised reliability due to absurd marginal weight savings.

  64. Gebby says:

    This host is a gifted technical instructor. I love this side channel only because he is so good.

  65. YenneferTNS says:

    Mavic really must revive that old good White n' Black color that they were using in the past for their Crossmax SX. White rims, Black logos, nipples, spokes and hubs. That's way better than the overrated, usual, vise versa coloring, and I wonder why manufactures don't paint the rims in White and the logo in Black. This color would make most of the bikes look way better to be honest, and the yellow does not match with all the other colors that exist.

  66. maxime dufour says:

    Really interesting great job!!

  67. alfagtv100 says:

    Excellent video. Highly informative and interesting. Great job

  68. Sumner Bob says:

    omg i tought mavic was a German company 0.0

  69. alan linnemeyer says:

    I love and ride Mavic rims and can't wait for the day I can ride a complete engineered wheelset of theirs. I like how the latest hub engineering mirrors my personal fav which is Chris King and his 72 point engagement ring drive system. When it all comes down to it spending extra money on wheels and tires is just smart money !

  70. Peter Watson says:

    Did they do the cosmic wheelset before the helium?

  71. Polish guy with hard to spell name ;-p says:

    3:34 Wait a second! So asymetrical rims were made even before 2012 ?!! And I didn't even know about them till 2017?!?….Ahh yes, gmbn tech gone live in 2018 ;-p

  72. yvonjasser says:

    In this now online world, I feel manic is falling behind with their archaic ways of distribution.

  73. Road Glide says:

    Mavic does own Enve. Good things apparently are osmotically filtering in from the tech depts.

  74. Joni English says:

    what mavic rim is that hung behind you on the wall the one enclosed in the poster ?

  75. Dude on Bike says:

    Great history of Mavic wheels & components.

    Love the cutaway hub! But not as elegant as the King. But still very nice.

    Hmm, any patents on the star ratchet DT/Hugi and/or Chris King held must have expired! This system has been in use since the late eighties. Mavic conceding it works great by 2013 is analogous to Campy FINALLY abandoning the square taper crank design! But whatever, glad they've evolved.

    However, one bone to pick. Shorter spokes are NOT stronger! Wheels with shorter spokes MAY be stiffer, but they are not "stronger" or more durable. Amazing to hear a "pro" repeat this erroneous statement. What makes the tension wheel so light and strong is spoke elasticity under tension. A longer spoke of the same kind is more elastic. Elasticity allows a wheel to withstand forces without failure. Elasticity allows a wheel to rotate through its cycle while preventing spokes going to zero tension. Zero tension problems (caused by tension differentials resulting from extreme dish) cause premature spoke failure. Adding more and more cogs to the cassette over the years means more dish and more problems.

    This is also why "thicker" spokes do not make a stronger wheel (thicker at the ends is good, however). The contrary is almost always true; thinner, or butted spokes, build a "stronger" and more durable wheel.

    Apart from that, great job. Love to see those fresh old Mavic hubs without spoke dents on the flanges!

  76. mjs1231 says:

    Uhh calling bs here again. Mavic free hub body on high end hubs are known for slop. Slop is once your cassette is mounted correctly there is a lot of bearing play which causes shifting to be sloppy. I have seen 5 month old road bikes developed severe slop as you would see in walmart bikes. Not just one but many. Idk whats going on with the industry and hubs. Seems to be the dark horse of bike parts. 25 years ago they lasted for the life of the bike. It was a non part. Now days we are blowing through hub bearings, bb bearings, suspension bearings. If they last two years your lucky. Wtf is going on now? The prices have exploded exponentially and the quality has turned in to shit.

  77. mjs1231 says:

    And how does a bearing marketed as sealed get completely destroyed in 2 years and never going over 30 mph??????? Its a pain in the fkn ass to swap bearings out of anything. Didn't your daddies teach you anything?
    If this iss the case from now on then these bikes need to come stock with a standard hub to hub 10 year warranty. 2000.00 us dollars for a bike fork. Ok where is the 1 oz of gold at? Your paying for an ounce of pure gold. Gold is a little less than 2000.00 usd. Its unfkn believable. At the exact same time wages have not gone up in 19 years. Wtf is going on here? Why are there so many billionaires now? I smell a super rat.

  78. Mike Foster says:

    Great vdo
    I’m riding Mavic rims on several of my road bikes
    I need to check out some hubs now

  79. Cat G says:

    I think Dt Swiss done all of that sooner. But Mavics are nice hubs. Especially with wider axle diameter.

  80. mikey dempsey says:

    what a cool video Doddy, thanks mate, I don't have the most updated version but they are brilliant nonetheless

  81. Ianis Caratti says:

    durianrider says they are crap like chris king

  82. Ironwork says:

    id360 looks alot like chris king

  83. jose2883 pv says:

    Very nice video… as a matter of today and this video was release current year 2018… I was told by my bicycle mechanical .. that there are better options than Mavic wheels… can you make a comparison … and point out the differences… pros, cons.. but focused on XC… Thanks.

  84. Joni English says:

    i have a OLDER Mavic Oxygen M6 36 hole RIM
    Bullit Proof

  85. Joni English says:

    2016 – MAVIC AND ENVE holding HANDS !!!- Owned by AMER Sports ( FINLAND )

  86. Paul Djerassi says:

    Another great evaluation from you excellent level of knowledge Doddy you are a one off man thank you for another fantastic video,PD

  87. KingPint Juli says:

    Hope Tech 💪

  88. gnar gnar brah says:

    You guys are really too obvious about ads, you should review stuff honestly, not say exactly what the company wants you to

  89. Todd Taylor says:

    I've been waiting for Mavic to get on-board with the aerodynamic movement with their hubs. The DT Swiss hubs on my Bontrager wheelset are smooth and sleek with internal spoke nipples, where as my Mavic All-Road wheel hubs look like the designers went out of their way to make the hubs lumpy, chunky, and un-aerodynamic (is that a word?)

  90. fmonk says:

    Very informative and thorough. Thank you.

  91. j pobz says:

    I still have that 2011 cross trail wheel set @13:40 on my old trek fuel. It's Solid as a rock. Though it has only 2paws in it but with proper care. Still doing its job like new. Love mavic wheels. Wish I could have them in my new bike.

  92. eric moss says:

    It's funny to hear the ceramic rims described as expensive, given today's $500-$1000 carbon rims.

  93. thebelly925 says:

    As a roadie, I really appreciated this video and the excellent demonstration of the ID360 hubs. Well done!

  94. Daniel Meister says:

    I have a wheel with a mavic id360 hub and at the moment there is a xd freehub body mounted, I'm not sure how I can get it of, I ordered a compatible microspline freehub body directly from mavic, but still have no idea how I can do that, in your video you just pull the Endcaps off but I can't pull them of, its a new rear wheel, I see a black ring with 5 holes facing outward of the xd freehub body do I have to remove that and if so which direction is loose?

  95. Michał Pachocki says:

    I love mavic stuff. Still have three sets of wheels with ceramics. That was such a great technology back in the days…
    You often mention about big cogs creating more load on freehub body. I think it's not true. The load depends on torque. It doesn't matter if you have large or small cog in the back as long as it is the same ratio (bigger cog in the back means bigger ring in the front).

  96. eric moss says:

    Wait, I see that on the freewheel hub, there is a lot of axle unsupported by bearing, but I don't see how the situation is any better based on what's shown at 17:52. The bearings in the freehub do support the splines nicely, which is definitely an improvement, but not the spoke flange.

  97. Dave Kelly says:

    Great stuff..

  98. Chickencheese says:

    Looks like DT Swiss inside.

  99. Julio Jones says:

    This video changed my life. Can’t wait to rage DH on my new Mavic XA Elites I bought mid video!

  100. jim dandy says:

    Just bought a pair of the 2019 Elite carbon 27.5X30 for my 2018 Spectral 6.0

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