Skateboarder Josh Kalis 7 of 7 – Epicly Later’d – VICE
Skateboarder Josh Kalis 7 of 7 – Epicly Later’d – VICE

ROB DYRDEK: He’s truly lived in
all of like the true skate meccas for pure street
skating. You know what I mean? Like no one else
has done that. When SF was cracking,
he moved to SF. When Philly was resurging,
he moved to Philly and blew Philly up. When LOVE Park went down, he
made the movement to spending six months a year
in Barcelona. And then he desperately tried
to Chicago into Philly. That didn’t work out so hard. And he is pure of, wake
up in your house and go skate raw street. And a lot of people
can’t say that. And he never followed trends. He hated on every trend as it
came and went, and talked about how wack it was. I don’t even like that. And I’m like, that shit’s
hard to do. That ain’t hard to do,
that’s just wack. And went through it all. And it’s one of the purest,
pure street skateboarding careers. There’s no like– he didn’t have
gimmicks in video parts. He didn’t– there was no gimmicks in ads. You’re going to look at his
footage from like whatever year that was, in like ’98 till
this year, and it will seamlessly blend together. His pants and his shirts might
have gotten a shade tighter. But all that footage would have
just blended together for his 15-year career. It’s so weird, because
it’s like, to me, he’s still on Alien. Like he’s such my– one of my very best friends
in the world. I know him so well. I talk to him about
everything. Nonstop, my advice to him, every
single time was, you’re not me, man. Like do not waste your time and
headache trying to start companies and do this
other stuff. It’s not worth it. Like, you are a skater. Just skate. MALE SPEAKER: Dude, fuck you– JOSH KALIS: Shut up! Pussy. MALE SPEAKER: I don’t
want to get up. MALE SPEAKER: Just
fucking do it. JOSH KALIS: Shhhh. MALE SPEAKER: Come on, Dyrdek. Do this right now. ANTHONY VAN ENGELEN: You think
he knows who who are? Just say Rob Dyrdek. What’s up? JOSH KALIS: Being a dick
comes natural. ROB DYRDEK: Now, then, at the
end of the year, fall and next year’s contract will be $1500
with an option to buy out. So it’s $18,000. You have the option to say,
buy it out for $6,000. It’s always dangerous to cross
that line for these athletes, you know what I mean? Especially the urban
skateboard image. I mean, that– that could flow
into the cities like nobody’s business, you know
what I mean? And that’s why he gets
paid so well. That’s why he has the– he’s the
featured pro on DC’s new shoe line, you know
what I mean. OK, great. Good talking to you. You take care now. Bye. [LAUGHS] ANTHONY VAN ENGELEN: Oh, god. MALE SPEAKER: What was that? ROB DYRDEK: Dude, I
just sealed the deal so gnarly, man. Like he was just like, well,
I understand that. If you could please– if you
can get me that in writing with a proposal in writing, if
you can explain to me how coming into this market, what
you need to be, if you could just explain it to me, I mean,
if we could take it to the powers that be, I know
we could make it happen like that. I was, like, all right. MALE SPEAKER: Do you remember
the name you told him? ROB DYRDEK: (LAUGHING) Oh. Mike Johnson? MALE SPEAKER: Mark Johnson. MALE SPEAKER: You better
write that down. MALE SPEAKER: Freddy
[INAUDIBLE] called. Whooo! JOSH KALIS: Now like me
and Dyrdek got AVE on. I saw AVE’s Wheels of Fortune
and was like, holy fuck, dude. This kid gnarly crooked grinded
and picnic tables on like flat ground, you know? And switch front crooking. And I mean, he was gnarly. He was doing all the tricks that
I either was doing, to a gnarlier bigger level, or that
I wanted to do, and he was already on this crazy
other level. And I was just like, fuck. AVE was so stoked. Well, I feel like the Workshop
was always known to not have people living by each other. But everyone clicked, and
everyone got along. And when we hung out or went
on a road trip, or like– I mean, it was mad fun. [PLAYING “HEART AND SOUL”] JOSH KALIS: But it’s not
as personal anymore. It’s not as friendly. You know what I mean? Shit, I’ll go on a road trip and
not even know who to talk to anymore. It’s like, fuck, man. Become a lone wolf. ROB DYRDEK: I understood
his position. When that new tier was sort of
being rebuilt again, he just lost his voice in that. And I think for him as he
became more and more alienated, so to speak, it just
started to wear him out. PATRICK O’DELL: Did you disagree
with anything that Dill or Bill said in
Dylan’s episode? JOSH KALIS: Well I– he
used the wrong word. Because up-river is usually
like, fucking, in jail. PATRICK O’DELL: Upstream. JOSH KALIS: OK. Yeah. Upstream, downstream. But I don’t know what he
was getting at, you know what I’m saying? Because he said when I left the
Workshop, it became less upstream, or up-river. To tell you the truth, if
anything, I think it’s a little bit more uptight now. You know what I mean? And I’m not really like
the uptight dude. And so I left a company that
I thought was getting more uptight, more focused on fashion
and accessories. And I’m just not really
a part of that. Like, I’m not with that. Like, you can tell in my video
or in my video part, it’s completely different than
the rest of the video. They’re– they’re going on their way, and
they’re like whatever type of music that those dudes are
going for in that direction. And just like, that’s not me. You know? ROB DYRDEK: It’s so funny ’cause
I call Dill, and I’m like, I’m like, look, dude. He’s like, what, dude,
I don’t even like– And I’m like, dude, what
does up-river mean? And I’m like how can you? He’s like, you know, where
the fishing’s good. And I’m like, how are
you gonna put– and my whole thing is this. It’s Dill– Dill’s just spouting off. Me and Barra are up-river,
you know what I’m saying? Kalis is not. It’s like, and even like– even like– telling Kalis, like god, it
was just him kind of– like, OK, your name got
accidentally put in there. It’s like, it’s like, me
and Barra are like TV and fucking website. Like me and Barra are like so
far gone, like it makes sense for being up-river. Like he just accidentally
put your name in there. It doesn’t feel like
shit-talking, you know what I’m saying? It’s just Kalis doesn’t
want to hear his name. You don’t want to be lumped in
with me and Barra, you know what I’m saying? You don’t. If you were fringe, close
to me and Barra, maybe. But like, he’s a purist. Our problem with Kalis, DC
Video, Alien Video you name it video, he’s done a year before
everybody, like crying about like, where, deadline’s coming
and we’re losing our minds paranoid, like freaked
out, like hopefully we push this thing. And he’s got nine minutes of
footage, and he’s mad about like something being cut out. And he’s also a dude
that’s on the Slap message boards all day. He’s– he’s in it, man. He’s in with the shops, he’s in
it on the message boards. He’s in it with anyone who
wants to talk about it. He’ll break down. He’ll hate. He’ll come around. He is a skate rat. JOSH KALIS: Like I feel like,
shit, I rode for the Workshop for 13 years. I know the Alien Workshop. I know it. Like, I lived it. And it just wasn’t
there anymore. To me, I realized that there was
nothing personal about it. Even though I had a personal
relationship with the owner, or Dyrdek, there was nothing
personal about my position at the Workshop. And I just kind of felt like I
was floating, doing nothing. There’s no personal graphic. There’s none of that stuff. Kinda over it. Six months before I quit
Workshop, me and Mark Appleyard were actually
toying with doing our own board company. And I mean, the only thing we
didn’t have was a name. I mean, there was people
ready to do it. And me and Apple, it was
like, we were gonna have our own shit. But then what happened was is
Apples wasn’t ready to like take on the responsibility. He just didn’t want to. And I– I get it. I’ll take on responsibility. I don’t give a shit. But it just ended up
not working out. So I was talking to Stevie about
it one day, and I was like, yeah, man, me and Mark
are talking about, been talking about doing the
company for a while. But I’m not sure if we’re
really going to do it. So I don’t really know– I don’t know what
I want to do. Like, I don’t really want to
ride for the Workshop anymore. But I don’t– I don’t know. I don’t know what to do. And then that he was
like, damn, yo. Maybe we should do something. Blah, blah, blah. And I was like, actually,
you know what, bro? Why don’t you put a old fucking
original DGK homey white boy on DGK? And he was like, who? I was like, come on, dog. You know what I’m
talking about. He was like phhhbbt. Say the word. STEVIE WILLIAMS: Let’s go. I was like, that’s what
you want to do? He was like, yeah, fuck it. I was like, how much you want? He told me. And it wasn’t even a question. It was just, let’s go. I thought that was really
something that me and Josh both deserve. I think it’s really, really cool
on my end, for me to own a company and have the person
that saved my career skate for my company. So I don’t really look at
it like it’s my company. I look at it like it’s a
situation that was put in front of us due to
grace of God. Everybody knows the story. Everybody know that I
came from shit and Kalis hooked it up. And for me to get laughed at
for doing a company that people said wouldn’t work, and
for it to be so successful that my mentor skates for it? That’s priceless. It wasn’t– Josh could have said, I
want $20,000 a month. And it still wouldn’t
have mattered. Because it’s a priceless,
epic situation that– you can’t buy that shit. It’s just, it’s crazy, yo. And that’s my man. He got my heart. Everybody don’t get on
the team like that. And he gets a nice check,
you know what I mean? So. PATRICK O’DELL: He reps
it pretty hard. STEVIE WILLIAMS: Yeah, well,
that’s the deal. It’s not so much– I don’t be like, Josh,
you got to– I still really don’t even talk
to Josh that much on the phone, ’cause he’s
like my brother. But what’s I tell people
on the team, I tell them, like, look. He’s going to show you the
ultimate professionalism. Josh is the professionalism
of skateboarding. He knows how to attack
everything. He knows about this trick. He knows about every goddamn
thing I don’t know about. But if I’m not on tour and
Amber’s on tour, like Marquis or Duane, or things like that,
they can ask a legend pro like Kalis how to handle shit, from
counts to tricks to how to handle demos. He’s a pro to look at, to model
yourself after, doing an excellent job in your career. JOSH KALIS: May sound dumb or
old school or something, but like respect is so
important to me. All through the ’90s, and even
’80s, and I mean it’s always been that you didn’t have to
be like physically the best skateboarder. Like of course there’s always
people who are better and more consistent or whatever. But when you build like a form
of respect around you, people accept you and they
bring that in. And they want to like
earn your respect. It’s all about respect, man. PATRICK O’DELL: Tre-bomb, 360
flip, good day or bad day. Oh! TED LEE: I mean, it’s just crazy
to look back 20 years and to think, like, Josh is
kind of my friend’s kid brother’s friend. 14 and goofy and whatever. Josh was always like
a really hyper kid. Like he was jumping off the
walls, like ready to go skate. Or like so-and-so is here, so
I’m going to go do this. So you could see kind of that
like cocky, like punk-ass kid edge or whatever. I say that in a loving way, but
you know, that’s, I think, one of the reasons Josh
is where he is. [CHEERING AND APPLAUSE] MALE SPEAKER: Yeah, Josh. MALE SPEAKER: Yeah, Josh. MALE SPEAKER: Good job, Josh. Hey, Josh, be proud
of yourself. That was great. MALE SPEAKER: Hey,
be strong, man. MALE SPEAKER: Do a good
disco maneuver. TED LEE: And now look at– not only has Josh stayed
relevant and grown with his career, but the whole industry
has changed, obviously, so dramatically and he’s really
been able to ride that and do his thing. And it’s rad, you know? It’s so cool. I’m proud of him. So I don’t know. It’s funny. It’s like one of those things. When his career really started
ramping up, and I remember thinking, like, I hope this
really works for him. Because he’s one of
those guys that– I mean, it’s rad, but I don’t
know what else he’d be doing if he wasn’t skating. PATRICK O’DELL: What do you
think you’re going to do– like how much longer do you
think you’ll be a pro or skate or whatever? JOSH KALIS: I don’t know, man. I’m definitely not one that
would sit there and milk it. But I’m definitely not one
that’s like ready to stop. I don’t know. It’s kind of tough to think
about, because I’ve been living the same lifestyle
for 10, 12 years. And I’m a high school
dropout, man. I really don’t know what
could take place of skateboarding for me. Financially, mentally– like I really have no idea. Who knows, man? Who knows? I don’t know, Patrick. I ain’t even thinking about that
shit right now, buddy. Fucking sunset is setting. I’m going to Atlanta tomorrow
to skate in the new DGK private park, called
The Playground . And that shit’s gonna
be tight. PATRICK O’DELL: Thanks, Josh. You wanna head back? JOSH KALIS: Yeah.

10 thoughts on “Skateboarder Josh Kalis 7 of 7 – Epicly Later’d – VICE”

  1. Scar Chest says:

    Appleyard another awesome skater!!!

  2. Jacob Galloway says:

    I know I'm an old man who likes old man things, but would some young hip person please explain to me what "later'd" means.


    "Alienated" Workshop

  4. Matthew Cody says:

    And this is why at 44 yrs old im still a sk8rat . Gold.

  5. Federico Borghesi says:

    "It's all about respect, man."

  6. Manmelt says:

    What Rob speaks is the truth, Kalis was never about trends or hype, he’s always been the same dude, and he’s always ripped. Just like Carroll.

  7. papatruz 1984 says:

    I got to skate that fuckin play ground and it was fly

  8. 00’sHD says:

    Rob is hilarious haha! Kalis has one of the most realest stories he’s a true OG.

  9. daniel dan says:

    it's all about respect

  10. Clario298 says:

    Watching in 2020

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